When we get into a disagreement, we often see the other person as the problem. But so often, our conflicts are rooted in systemic factors in our organizations and society, like pay structures and decision-making processes. To create equitable workplaces and communities where peoples’ needs are met, we must stop butting heads against each other and zoom out to see the changes needed in our larger organization and communities. With nearly twenty years helping leaders design equitable organizations, and author of Equity: How to Design Organizations Where Everyone Thrives, my guest today, Minal Bopaiah, is an expert in zooming out. We discuss rules of thumb for facilitating communication in hybrid workplaces, when to leave an organization that’s not treating you well, and the qualities leaders need to have in order to effectively build truly equitable and conflict competence organizations. SHOW NOTES Podcast Title: Creating Equitable Workplaces: Embracing Difference with Minal Bopaiah So often, when we get into a disagreement with another person, be it a colleague, supervisor, staff member, someone in our community, or another person, we can immediately resort to blaming the other person, seeing them as the problem that needs to be solved. But so often, our conflicts are rooted in systemic factors in our organizations and society, like the structures for communication, pay, input, and decision-making power. If we are to create truly equitable workplaces and communities where peoples’ needs are well met, we must stop butting heads against each other, zoom out, and look at the changes that are needed in our larger organization and communities. Podcast Guest: My guest today, Minal Bopaiah, is an expert in zooming out. The founder of Brevity & Wit, she’s a strategic consultant with nearly twenty years helping leaders design equitable organizations, including at NPR, Sesame Workshop, and Doctors Without Borders. Her areas of expertise include human-centered design, behavior change psychology, and the principles of inclusion, diversity, equity, and accessibility (IDEA) as they relate to media, marketing, communications and organizational design. Her first book Equity: How to Design Organizations Where Everyone Thrives was hailed as “a succinct jewel” by Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Jody Williams and won the 2022 Terry McAdam Book Award. Key Points: In this insightful episode, Minal Bopaiah, founder of Brevity & Wit and author of Equity: How to Design Organizations Where Everyone Thrives, shares her expertise on embedding Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) into organizational structures. Minal discusses the importance of creating equitable organizations by focusing on systemic equity, rather than merely addressing interpersonal conflicts. She explains how organizational design must integrate DEI to ensure long-term success. Minal highlights the distinction between inclusive culture and equity, explaining that while inclusion creates a sense of belonging, equity ensures that systems and structures offer equal access to opportunities. She delves into leadership development, explaining how leaders need "system sight" to recognize how organizational systems influence opportunity and behavior. Conflict resolution is another key focus, with Minal emphasizing the need for synchronous communication (phone or video) to address conflicts rather than relying on asynchronous communication methods like email or Slack, which can lead to misunderstandings. She also discusses the importance of setting boundaries to maintain emotional health in DEI work. The episode also explores power dynamics in organizations, where Minal shares strategies for using power ethically and influencing leadership to foster workplace equity. Additionally, Minal explains how perspective gathering, rather than assumption-based perspective taking, is critical for making decisions that genuinely reflect the n...