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This is part 1 of a two part podcast.

Gareth is joined by Travis Sheflin to break down episode 4 "H is for Hero". The conversation went long so this podcast has been split into two parts. This is the two-way conversation about the episode. Check your podcast feed in the next 24 hours for part 2 which will cover listener feedback.

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