We’re back around the table and straight into the question every Kiwi is wrestling with - what’s actually happening to the All Blacks, and are we being honest about how deep this rut really goes? Martin, John Day and Mark 'Watto' Watson pull apart the England loss, the messy patterns we keep repeating, and whether any of the numbers we’re being fed match what we’re all seeing on the field.

We look hard at the coaching setup, accountability inside the camp, and that line from Razor about coaches “learning on the job”. John argues the turnaround is still possible if the right tweaks are made. Watto says the whole thing needs a reset and New Zealand Rugby won’t make the tough calls. Martin pushes on the lack of connection with fans and whether anyone is telling the truth behind closed doors.

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