I met Jim St. Germain on a bus in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Immediately I realized I had a lot to learn from his inspiring story and his knowledge of American history. This episode is a history lesson, indeed. I relish the way Jim challenges me and calls my thinking to task in this conversation. So often we choose to talk to people with whom we can simply go back and forth in a "bubble of agreement." This episode is not that. It's a real conversation about the real America. We talk about race and class and America's true history. We expound about Amy Cooper and Harvey Weinstein. We interrupt each other and our nervous systems get charged. Real conversation is messy my friends, but that's no reason not to dive in. Join us.

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