Paul Hammant and Luc Courage are the authors of the Leanpub book Value Stream Mapping for Software Delivery Teams. In this interview, Leanpub co-founder Len Epp talks with Paul and Luc about their backgrounds and careers, how they decided to collaborate on a book together, the history of manufacturing and the development of Value Stream Mapping, their book, and their writing process. You can find the image discussed in the video here. This interview was recorded on March 7, 2024. The full audio for the interview is here: https://s3.amazonaws.com/leanpub_podcasts/FM286-Paul+Hammant-and-Luc-Courage-2024-03-07.mp3. The Frontmatter podcast is available on our YouTube channel at https://www.youtube.com/leanpub, in Apple Podcasts here https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/frontmatter/id517117137, and almost everywhere else people listen to podcasts. This interview has been edited for conciseness and clarity.