This is the fourth episode of a series focused on the findings of the Horizon Europe project CAPABLE (ClimAte Policy AcceptaBiLity Economic framework). The aim of this podcast series is to provide an overview of the CAPABLE project and draw attention to some particularly relevant findings. In this fourth episode, we explore how focusing on workers can help achieve a climate transition and keep public opinion on board. The guest is Giulia Laganà. Giulia was a migration expert for fifteen years before broadening her focus to include labour rights and the climate transition from 2018. She has been a senior adviser to the President of the Italian Parliament and spent five years with the United Nations and seven in private philanthropy, most recently for ClimateWorks Foundation and previously with the Open Society Foundations. Giulia has experience of advocacy, policymaking, grant management and donor relations as well as communications. An Italian national, Giulia is also part-British and part-Spanish. She has been leading the International Trade Union Confederation’s Just Transition & Climate department since January 2024. CAPABLE is a research project funded by the Horizon Europe Programme under grant agreement No 101056891. It provides robust, resilient and actionable recommendations for the design of socially and economically acceptable climate policy measures for 2030 and beyond, examining experiences, policy design and implementation solutions to identify strategies that can enable a successful transition. Views and opinions expressed are those of the author(s) only and do not necessarily reflect those of the European Union. More info on CAPABLE: https://capableclimate.eu/