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The Seen and the Unseen, hosted by Amit Varma, features longform conversations that aim to give deep insights into the subjects being discussed. Timeless and bingeworthy.
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George Conway and JVL break down a stunning whistleblower complaint accusing former Acting Deputy AG Emil Bove of telling colleagues the DOJ should ignore court orders and deport migrants anyway. They explore the Supreme Court’s unexplained decision enabling deportation to dangerous countries, the Kafkaesque Abrego Garcia case, and the GOP’s broader assault on Harvard. It’s a legal and political breakdown—Conway says bluntly: “The criminals are in charge.”
(Correction: At about 35:00 and at about 44:00, George and JVL misstate Bove’s position at the Department of Justice. A previous version of this description contained the same error. He was acting deputy attorney general and is now the principal associate deputy attorney general, but was never nominated to be the deputy attorney general. He has also been nominated to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals.)
(Correction: At about 35:00 and at about 44:00, George and JVL misstate Bove’s position at the Department of Justice. A previous version of this description contained the same error. He was acting deputy attorney general and is now the principal associate deputy attorney general, but was never nominated to be the deputy attorney general. He has also been nominated to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals.)
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