In my view, centralized power is the gravest threat to liberty. The best way to confront that threat is the break up centralized power through secession. Secession gets a bad rap in the United States because of its association with slavery and the Civil War, but secession itself has nothing to do with slavery and it doesn’t have to be violent. We can have what Mark Kreslins calls “peaceful political divorce.” In this episode of the GodArchy podcast, Mark and I talk about secession and how it could be used as a tool to move us toward liberty. Our conversation ends up going much deeper than that. We also discuss our personal political and spiritual journeys and talk about the feasibility of a voluntary society. Mark has worn many hats. He’s worked as a staffer on Capitol Hill, served as a pastor and hosted a radio show.