In this episode of Governance Futures, hosts Jamilya and Eugene speak with Amber Case (Cyborg Anthropologist), technologist, author, and founder of the Calm Technology Institute.
Case explores how humans and technology co-evolve — a field she helped pioneer as one of the world’s leading voices in cyborg anthropology. The conversation dives into lessons from Case’s DAO Game, a simulation designed to help communities stress-test governance systems before launching. Drawing from Case's work on Calm Technology, Case explains why governance must account for human limits, how inclusive design mirrors ancient rituals, and why “design is governance.” The episode explores patterns in community behavior — from country clubs to DAOs — revealing that while tools change, human coordination remains timeless.
Case closes with reflections on AI, collective learning, and why the future of governance might just look a lot like the past.
Some of the materials we mention in the episode:
- An Illustrated Dictionary of Cyborg Anthropology (PDF) - https://caseorganic.gumroad.com/l/anthropdf Design is governance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clxm5qW3pao&t=1s Calm Governance - https://www.calmtech.institute/

- Design is governance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clxm5qW3pao&t=1s
- Calm Governance - https://www.calmtech.institute/

Timestamps:

00:00 – Cold Start

00:56 – Introduction: Jamilya and Eugene reflect on their conversation with Amber Case

02:23 – First impressions: cyborg anthropology and governance

04:15 – What is cyborg anthropology? Humans, tech, and adaptation

06:14 – The birth of wikis and the evolution of online collaboration

08:38 – Wiki culture, editing systems, and governance through software

11:06 – Invisible governance: how online communities self-organize

13:32 – Digital identity, hyper-sigils, and the self in online life

15:11 – Simulating governance: why Case built the DAO Game

17:34 – How DAO Game helps players experience governance dynamics

19:12 – Why every DAO should test its governance as a game

20:13 – Governance as a marathon: lessons from boardrooms to DAOs

22:41 – What really happens behind the scenes of board governance

25:02 – Rituals, trust, and the hidden rules of community participation

27:24 – Old wisdom in new systems: lessons from Ostrom and co-ops

29:49 – Origins of “DAO” and the automation of home systems

31:58 – Are DAOs just repeating human governance patterns?

33:55 – Design is governance: how architecture shapes participation

36:21 – Inclusive vs. exclusive design and the myth of openness

38:45 – Entropy, ecosystems, and why good governance reduces chaos

41:02 – Boundaries, belonging, and the emotional work of inclusion

42:55 – How to handle community tensions and exclusivity

44:54 – Measuring vibes: Case’s 60-point community scoring system

48:21 – Reducing entropy through shared rituals and space design

50:44 – Training community members and fostering stewardship

53:07 – Recognizing creativity, humility, and contribution

55:34 – Legos, learning, and what makes great collaborators

57:18 – The social awareness matrix: identifying healthy dynamics

59:36 – Group design, collaboration, and cultural literacy

01:02:26 – The politics of cleanliness, care, and invisible labor

01:05:39 – The Phoenix Project: bottlenecks, burnout, and learning loops

01:08:49 – Calm Technology and AI: using minimal tech for maximum care

01:10:56 – Why messy spaces produce creativity and innovation

01:13:14 – Final reflections and the rapid-fire governance quiz

01:14:18 – One-word quiz: Constraint, History, Sobriety, Past

01:15:30 – Closing thoughts and outro