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In Part 2, Harvey continues the conversation with Dr. Pam Kastner, diving deeper into what it takes to sustain meaningful literacy reform across schools, districts, and higher education. Dr. Kastner discusses supporting educators through change, building communities of learning, and aligning teacher preparation with the science of reading. They explore the importance of shared language, collaboration, and perseverance — especially when systems are complex and change is slow. This episode closes with a message of encouragement for educators and advocates who are working every day to ensure all students become skilled, confident readers.

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