Denise Hackert-Stoner is a priest. Not in the traditional Roman Catholic church, which instantly excommunicated her and condemned her to hell when she was ordained. But she's a priest nonetheless in the Upper Room Inclusive Catholic Community of the Albany area. In this week's chapter of Beyond the Brink and Fighting Back, podcast host Rosemary Armao talks with Hackert-Stoner about defying church fathers and creating a church that emphasizes love, compassion, diversity, and positivity that feels close to what early Christians had before the Roman patriarchy erased women and introduced hierarchy and rules. Learn more about these renegade women and what they do.