In this episode, we talk to Chris, who is an artist and musician in the Seattle area. He is a creative thinker, a calming presence, and a unique presence. In this conversation, we talk about what it means to love another person, and how it’s different from being a savior. We talk about his relationship with his mother and how that has shifted and changed over the years. And we talk about art, music, and his journey within himself.

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