Welcome to episode 28 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and James Walker are joined by special guest Daniel Nilsson, Co-Founder & Managing Director of Test Scouts. Together, they discuss AI and testing, focusing on how testers can improve the quality of AI systems and the tools that can enable them to do so. Rich and Daniel start the conversation by discussing the challenges of testing autonomous vehicles and the need for trust in AI. The team discuss the importance of quality in safety-critical systems and the need for evidence and structure in the development and testing process. Daniel highlights the potential for cross-pollination between the embedded systems and application worlds. The conversation also covers the topic of continuous learning and the culture of curiosity within organizations. James and Daniel share their experiences with mentorship, internal conferences, and weekly learning challenges to foster a culture of continuous learning. They emphasize the importance of leaders living the values they want to cultivate and encouraging small steps towards improvement. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!