Justin O'Connor is a Professor of Cultural Economy at the University of South Australia. In this episode, we talk about his new book, 'Culture Is Not an Industry: Reclaiming Art and Culture for the Common Good'. Justin explains how theoretically poor the concept of the 'creative industry' actually is, and how it has messed up cultural policy in many countries. We then talk about an alternative policy vision: art and culture as a common good, anchored in the foundational economy. Links: Culture Is Not an Industry: Reclaiming Art and Culture for the Common Good: manchesteruniversitypress.co.uk/9781526171269 The Foundational Economy Collective: foundationaleconomy.com Reset: Een nieuw begin voor kunst en cultuur: starfishbooks.org/justin-oconnor-reset