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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat: A Mind-Bending Conversation with Peter Thiel
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The billionaire Peter Thiel is unimpressed with our pace of innovation. In this episode, he critiques artificial intelligence, longevity science and space travel — and warns that our lack of progress could lead to catastrophic outcomes, including the emergence of the Antichrist.
- 01:19 - What does stagnation mean in 2025?
- 06:30 - Peter Thiel's case for more progress and innovation
- 11:30 - Does taking more scientific risk include life extension?
- 15:14 - Peter Thiel's political history
- 18:34 - Did Trump live up to Thiel's expectations?
- 25:10 - Does Elon Musk still want to go to Mars?
- 28:09 - How Thiel defines A.I.
- 33:20 - Is A.I. Too Modest An Ambition?
- 35:23 - How will the human race evolve? Should it?
- 41:53 - Thiel's critique of Silicon Valley
- 43:40 - Who is the real Antichrist?
(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)
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