California’s governor, Gavin Newsom, says that President Trump’s decision to send federal troops into Los Angeles is a “brazen abuse of power” and a defining moment for American democracy.

Governor Newsom sits down with Michael Barbaro to discuss Mr. Trump, illegal immigration, the protests and how he thinks the standoff in Los Angeles will end.

Guest: Gavin Newsom, the governor of California

Background reading:

• President Trump has expanded domestic use of the armed forces, testing the limits on involving troops at protests and the border.
• Gov. Gavin Newsom of California called on Americans to stand up to Mr. Trump in a nationally televised address.

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