Do you ever feel split between “I need to know everything” and “I cannot take one more alert”? This episode is for the ones living in the gray—where duality, paradox, and mixed emotions collide with real life. Therapist-turned-storyteller Nikki P sits down with curl specialist and activist Liv Paige (Curl Coven) to talk about activism without burnout: how to care deeply about change and protect your nervous system; how to pick a lane, set boundaries, and practice emotional regulation; and how to engage locally (calls, emails, donations, volunteering, community care) with clarity and self-compassion.

We name the messy middle, unpack political overwhelm, and explore why even hair can be political—challenging Eurocentric beauty standards while building inclusive community. You’ll hear practical ways to stay informed without spiraling, rest without guilt, and return with purpose; plus scripts for calm conversations across differences, so relationships can be a bridge, not a battlefield. If you’re navigating transitions, feeling both hope and fatigue, or craving emotional intelligence tools that honor nuance, this conversation helps you feel your feelings, choose your focus, and take the next doable step—because life isn’t either/or; it’s both.

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Resources

- GoVoteTN, Call or visit 211 if you are ever unsure where to turn for support

- TN Justice For Our Neighbors, TN Justice Center, TN Immigrant & Refugee Rights Coalition

- Oasis Center Nashville, Nashville Launchpad, Trans Aid Nashville

- Tennessee Equality Project, Music City Migra Watch

- Second Harvest Food Bank, Nashville Food Project, Open Table Nashville

- Oasis WIC/SNAP Emergency Needs, Open Table Winter Supply Needs