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In this episode, Tilman Au, Managing Director Conclusion DACH, and Engbert Verkoren, CEO of Conclusion, reveal how they’re building one of Europe’s most entrepreneurial IT and consulting ecosystems where autonomy, collaboration, and growth go hand in hand.
Tilman shares why moving forward with diva-e was the natural choice, and how joining Conclusion opened a new chapter of purpose and scale. Engbert explains why the ecosystem’s model will at times trade efficiency for entrepreneurial fit, and why every new partner must bring a unique proposition to earn their independence.
Together, they unpack how Conclusion empowers founders to grow faster, and achieve cross-domain synergies that create long-term client relationships built on trust and shared ambition. For consulting leaders considering their own next chapter, whether joining a group or building one, this conversation offers a rare inside look at how an ecosystem model truly works in practice.
You’ll learn:
1. Why Conclusion prioritizes entrepreneurial fit over pure efficiency
2. How autonomy and collaboration coexist in a multi-company ecosystem
3. The secret to post-acquisition growth that doubles or triples company size
4. Why “staying relevant” is every leader’s real long-term KPI
5. What to look for when choosing (or becoming) the right growth partner
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Get in touch with Tilman and Engbert on LinkedIn or via email:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/engbert-verkoren/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tilman-au-ceo-investor-digital-expert/

[email protected]
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Engbert and Tilman's book recommendations:
Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman
Good to Great by Jim Collins
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About the host Sammy Gebele:
Sammy and SAWOO offer a B2B community-building service that establishes you as a thought leader in your industry and helps you build genuine, human-to-human relationships with your dream clients.
Get in touch with Sammy Gebele on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sammygebele/
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Past guests on the LEADERS IN CONSULTING Podcast include: Friederich von Hurter, Melanie Tobler and many more!
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Thanks to our friends at SAWOO for producing this episode with us!