40 percent of Americans are laid off or fired at least once in their career. Half of working Americans are anxious about layoffs. This week's guest has faced eleven layoffs and come out stronger each time. Host Elizabeth Weingarten explores what it really takes to survive repeated layoffs, reinvent yourself again and again, and find purpose in the middle of constant professional uncertainty.

Krista Chism, Udemy's SEO Director, shares her hard-won wisdom on separating your identity from your job, building community during unemployment, creating structure in chaos, and even finding unexpected gifts in career setbacks. Whether you're facing a layoff now or want to prepare for the future, this conversation offers practical strategies and emotional resilience tools for navigating one of work's most challenging transitions.

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