What do you do when ministry success comes at the cost of your soul?

In this episode, we sit down with Jon Talbert - pastor, coach, and founder of Forte - to talk about the quiet unraveling that often happens behind the scenes in leadership.

Jon has led at the highest levels of church and nonprofit work, but somewhere along the way, he realized he was losing himself in the process. What followed wasn’t a dramatic exit - but a deliberate shift. A reckoning. A redefinition of calling.

If you’ve ever questioned your role, your rhythm, or even your relevance in ministry, this conversation will hit close to home.

Jon gets honest about burnout, identity, and why courage sometimes looks like letting go.

This isn’t just about recovering from ministry. It’s about discovering what’s next - with less fear and more freedom.

• What most leaders miss about the difference between calling and identity
  
• Why burnout isn’t always loud - and how to recognize it early
  
• The real cost of avoiding your own growth
  
• How to lead with clarity when the crowd is gone
  
• What “editing your life” looks like in a post-ministry season
  

00:00 – Jon’s early ministry story
06:12 – From platform to pressure: the silent drift
14:45 – Burnout and the addiction to being needed
21:08 – Risk, honesty, and what it really means to lead well
29:17 – How Forte walks with leaders in transition
36:30 – Wrestling with faith after leaving ministry
41:40 – Final thoughts: courage over comfort

If you’re facing a leadership shift, you don’t have to do it alone. Start a conversation at ministrytransitions.com.

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