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Wicked: For Good (2025) takes us back into the land of Oz — but this time things don’t quite add up. In this one-episode special, the Mate Night team explore why this massive finale feels like it’s on a completely different timeline than the iconic The Wizard of Oz (1939). We break down:
The character flips: Elphaba vs. the Wicked Witch, Glinda’s unexpected arc, the Wizard who can’t pick a personality
The plot explosions: Scarecrow on fire twice, slippers that teleport, and how the story only works if you ignore the original
The book origins: Gregory Maguire’s gritty novel that started it all, and how the musical and film diverge wildly
The parallel-universe theory: Why Wicked isn’t a prequel — it’s an entirely separate Oz
Our verdict: Fred’s take-down, Jambo’s defence, and whether fans of Oz should even bother
If you came out of Wicked: For Good scratching your head, thinking “This can’t fit the original” — you’re absolutely right. Tune in for the full breakdown, join the debate, and find out why sometimes the story you love needs a separate universe.
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