How do you lead others when you feel completely drained yourself? What happens when the stress bubble, ministry pressure, and family life all collide—and your tank hits empty?

In this 'Average Joe' conversation, Pastor Jim Ramos sits down with Nathan Lawler, a mid-30s pastor, husband, and father. Together they discuss the question so many men are afraid to voice: "How can someone lead when they're on empty?"

You'll hear practical wisdom about prioritizing God outside your ministry work, reconnecting deeply with your spouse, and making space for the hobbies and life-giving moments that refill your soul. This is a must-listen for any man navigating the stress bubble and fighting to stay steady for the people he loves.

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