After coming out last week in video for on the NCR Patreon and Bounces, it's a delight to bring listeners Ben's chat with Mary Carillo on the occasion of her getting voted into the International Tennis Hall of Fame.

Ben and Mary discuss Mary's trademark honesty, her committed avoidance of social media, and much more.

Mary's a longtime NCR favorite, and we are very happy for her and delighted to have her Newport-bound.

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