Episode Summary:
In this episode of Off the Clock, co-hosts Gwen Griggs and Whitney Harper tackle one of their favorite topics: law firm metrics. They explain why traditional measures like billable hours, realization rates, and origination credit often create misalignment, wasted time, and even toxic firm cultures. Drawing on their experiences in both business and law, Gwen and Whitney reveal why firms should shift focus to meaningful KPIs that reflect values, client satisfaction, and long-term success. From the power of Net Promoter Scores (NPS) to measuring community impact, team health, and client experience, they highlight how law firms can evolve beyond outdated tracking systems. Listeners will come away with practical tools to identify what truly matters in their practice, plus simple steps to begin measuring success in ways that align with core values and client outcomes.

00:01 – Introduction to Off the Clock with Gwen Griggs and Whitney Harper
03:10 – Why traditional law firm metrics like billable hours fall short
08:25 – The problem with origination credit and firm culture
14:15 – Borrowing from business: KPIs that actually measure success
19:30 – Aligning law firm metrics with values and client outcomes
25:45 – The importance of Net Promoter Scores (NPS) in law firms
32:20 – Lessons learned from client feedback, even negative scores
38:05 – Using metrics to identify ideal vs. non-ideal clients
43:15 – Building accountability and culture through visible metrics
48:50 – First steps for lawyers to begin measuring what matters
54:10 – Closing thoughts and invitation to connect with ADVOS Pro

Off the Clock is a podcast for lawyers and law firm owners ready to break free from the billable hour and design profitable, joyful practices that support their lives. Hosted by Gwen Griggs and Whitney Harper, co-founders of ADVOS Pro, the show shares stories, strategies, and bold steps to help attorneys stop surviving and start thriving on their own terms.