This week, S.E. sits down with sports journalist, commentator and Spolitics podcast host, Jemele Hill. S.E. and Jemele have a lot of shared knowledge and experience, both coming and finding their place in the TV journalism world. They talk about where those worlds intersect, where they diverge, and how politics is, despite anyone's best efforts, inescapable. Jemele brings us back to her cub reporting days, newsroom antics, and how she climbed her way into a white, male dominated world. She talks about facing backlash, stepping into her courage to get louder, and riding the media wave. And prepare yourself for one of the most controversial lightning round answers we've ever heard!

If you like this conversation — which you will — you have got to go listen and follow Jemele's fantastic politics, Spolitics, wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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