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Most leaders are waiting for a perfect AI strategy. Meanwhile, their teams are already experimenting — just not out in the open. Charlene Li joins me to talk about the real blockers to AI adoption inside organizations, and it’s not the tech. It’s fear, control, and a lack of imagination.

We unpack why chasing ROI misses the point, how cultural mindsets shape our fears, and what it really takes to build AI fluency across your team — starting with yourself. If you’re still stuck in “pilot mode,” this conversation is your wake-up call.

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Chapters

1. The Leadership Fear Around AI (00:00:00)

2. Asking Better Questions, Not For ROI (00:02:26)

3. Culture Clash: Individualism Vs Collectivism (00:05:11)

4. Control Myths And Building Credibility (00:09:01)

5. Shadow AI And Retention Risks (00:12:51)

6. Value Beyond Productivity Metrics (00:16:41)

7. Roadmaps, Not AI Strategies (00:21:36)

8. Adopting Fast: Speed As Moat (00:26:01)

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