In this episode, Sandy sits down with Why Not Today movement founder Leslie Kane to talk about what really happens between the big idea and the big result — that gloriously uncomfortable place known as the messy middle. From her 31-year Mary Kay career to launching a podcast and inner circle for women entrepreneurs, Leslie pulls back the curtain on what it takes to live bravely, take courageous action, and stop waiting for the “perfect” moment… because newsflash: it’s not coming.

Along the way they talk about liminal space, why women get stuck polishing their websites instead of talking to actual humans, and how community support can be the difference between quietly shrinking and finally stepping into your next chapter.

If you’ve ever felt like you’re in between versions of yourself — too early to quit, too restless to stay the same — this conversation is your loving shove forward. No fluff, no fake “I’ve got it all together,” just two honest women talking about courage, action, and keeping your heart alive in the process.