This week, Claire and Lisa talk about hotels and why even now it's lovely to have a staycation. They also discuss Nitram, the movie about Port Arthur killer Martin Bryant and why it's important even thought it's hard to watch, Adele and her new music, the end of Ted Lasso and how they feel about Nate being a bad guy and more. There's a chat about memory loss and paying attention and what one means without the other, books to read, what people with nice-smelling homes do that they don't and Claire's discovered a good body oil for the shower. Plus, they ask the question: are you a self-objectifier in your career?

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