In this episode, I talk to Dan Fletcher. My story with Dan is that we’ve been in the same scenes for years and went to school with each other. My band at the time Day Two would play with his vegan straight-edge hardcore band, Cherem. I would see him from time to time at the University of Utah and since then, our paths have taken similar trajectories. He’s a family man like me, but he hasn’t abandoned his love for music, making music of different stripes playing hardcore to folk music to his latest project, Milk Money, which I 100% recommend.

In the podcast, we talk about if our former selves would call ourselves sellouts, how the punk world has helped us in our journey in marketing, and how working for a massive company doesn’t necessarily mean we need to abandon our DIY roots. If you have any background in music and working in marketing, this one’s for you.