Apple’s China story is more than a business case — it’s a mirror of globalization itself.

In this eye-opening conversation, Patrick McGee, Financial Times journalist and author of Apple in China, sits down with Pankaj Agarwal to explore how Apple’s greatest triumph became its biggest challenge.

💬 In this episode:

• How Apple helped build modern China
• The lessons India must learn as it becomes Apple’s next manufacturing hub
• The trade-offs between innovation, control, and national interests
• What this means for founders, investors, and policymakers shaping India’s tech future

00:00 – Introduction

01:11 – Why Patrick Wrote Apple in China

03:33 – How Apple Ended Up in China

06:25 – Researching the Untold Story

08:21 – The Three Phases of Apple in China

11:03 – Lessons for Founders on Supply Chains

12:26 – The ‘Siren Song’ of China

13:13 – Apple’s Moral Dilemmas and Trade-offs

16:27 – Innovation, Arrogance & Plateau

19:04 – The Economics of Dependence

22:27 – What Can India Learn from China?

23:53 – Why Does Apple Need India?

25:45 – Are iPhones Made in India?

26:55 – The Future of Globalization & Supply Chains

31:31 – Why Should You Read Apple in China

A conversation for those who think beyond valuations — about strategy, sovereignty, and the soul of global business.

🎧 Full episode out now on YouTube, Spotify & Apple Podcasts.

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