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In this episode, we dive into the world of private credit and its relationship with private equity. Our hosts, Rory, Emily and Ed, share their expertise on the differences and similarities between these two asset classes.
Key Takeaways:
Private credit refers to debt financing that is not publicly traded and is typically provided by private companies or investors.
Private credit is not a new phenomenon, but its terminology has become more prominent in recent years as a separation from traditional banking and debt financing.
Private credit is often used in conjunction with private equity, and both asset classes share similar players, such as limited partners (LPs) and endowments.
The risk profile of private credit is different from private equity, with private credit being generally less risky but offering lower returns.
The capital stack is a key concept in private credit, with different levels of risk and return, including senior secured, mezzanine, and equity.
Private credit can be used to provide financing for companies that may not be able to access traditional bank debt or may need additional capital to support growth.
Private Credit vs. Private Equity:
Private credit provides steady cash flows through monthly or quarterly interest payments, whereas private equity returns are typically realized through a lump sum at the end of the investment period.
Private credit is generally less risky than private equity, but offers lower returns.
Private credit can be used to balance a portfolio by providing a steady income stream, whereas private equity is often used for growth and upside potential.
Private Credit Market:
The private credit market is growing rapidly, with assets under management expected to exceed $10 trillion by 2032.
Private credit funds are used to provide debt financing to companies, and can be structured in various ways, including mezzanine debt and preferred equity.
The private credit market is less regulated than traditional banking, offering more flexibility in structuring and terms.
Takeaways for LPs:
Private credit can be an attractive option for LPs looking for steady cash flows and reduced risk.
Private credit can be used to balance a portfolio by providing a steady income stream.
LPs should consider private credit as a complement to private equity investments.
Final Thoughts:
Private credit is not a new asset class, but its terminology has become more prominent in recent years.
Private credit offers a unique combination of risk and return, and can be used to support growth and provide steady cash flows.
LPs and investors should consider private credit as a viable option in their investment portfolios.

Who We Are

If we haven’t met before—Hi! We’re a team of professionals who’ve worked together at multiple companies, seen private equity from all sides, and are here to share what we’ve learned to help you succeed. Ed Barton brings decades of tax and financial strategy experience; Rory Liebhart is a finance and M&A pro with a track record of high-growth exits; and Emily Sander is a former Chief of Staff, multi-time author, podcast host, and founder of Next Level Coaching, helping leaders and organizations accelerate their growth.

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Chapters

1. Introduction to Private Credit and Private Equity (00:00:00)

2. Defining Private Credit (00:01:03)

3. Understanding the Capital Stack (00:03:04)

4. Risk and Return in Private Credit (00:04:40)

5. Private Credit vs. Private Equity (00:09:53)

6. Investor Perspectives and Strategies (00:12:43)

7. Switching Perspectives: From PE Firm to Podcast (00:18:17)

8. Understanding Private Credit vs. Bank Debt (00:19:12)

9. Growth of Private Credit Market (00:20:05)

10. Private Credit Companies and Strategies (00:21:11)

11. Liquidity Challenges in Private Credit (00:21:56)

12. Private Credit Returns and Risks (00:25:39)

13. Negotiating Capital Stack Positions (00:27:50)

14. Impact of Market Movements on Lenders (00:29:36)

15. Real-World Example: Debt Subordination (00:30:40)

16. Final Thoughts on Private Debt (00:32:14)

17. Advantages of Private Debt for Founders (00:32:59)

18. Demystifying Private Credit (00:33:56)

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