Ben talks with Jonathan Moynihan, lead pastor of Mosaic Christian Church in Elkridge, Maryland, and host of The White Flag podcast.

They unpack why the modern church is struggling to form real, mature followers of Jesus. We explore the deep disconnect between what churches say they prioritize and what they actually measure, why traditional programs often fall short, and how Jesus’ model of relational, high-challenge discipleship remains relevant more than ever.

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