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In part two of our series with The Vavengers, Rebel Justice is joined by Sir Max Hill KC, former Director of Public Prosecutions for England and Wales, alongside The Vavengers’ CEO, Sema Gornall and activist Mam Lisa Camara
Together, they unpack the legal, political, and global dimensions of the fight to end female genital mutilation (FGM); and the creation of the world’s first comprehensive global dataset on FGM, unveiled at the 80th UN General Assembly.
Max Hill shares insights from his time leading the Crown Prosecution Service, the landmark prosecutions that shifted UK legal history, and how international collaboration with King & Spalding and WilmerHale is reshaping what justice and accountability can look like for survivors worldwide.
Lisa and Sema discuss the power of survivor-led activism, the importance of culturally grounded approaches, and the global partnerships needed to ensure this data drives real change — from law reform and funding models to local empowerment and protection for girls at risk.
This conversation exposes the gaps between law and lived reality, highlights the urgent need for survivor-centred justice, and calls for every country to act on the evidence now laid bare.
Useful Links
https://thevavengers.co.uk/global-landscape-report
https://awra-group.org/en/
https://www.dahliaproject.org/
Credits
Guests: Sema Gornall, Mam Lisa Camara & Sir Max Hill KC
Producers: Charlotte Janes & Nico Rivosecchi
Soundtrack: Particles (Revo Main Version) by [Coma-Media]
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Chapters
1. Framing Justice And Lived Experience (00:00:00)
2. Guests And Aims Of The Conversation (00:01:08)
3. Why Build A Global FGM Dataset (00:02:08)
4. Laws On Paper Versus Reality (00:05:03)
5. No Country Has It Right (00:07:03)
6. Evidence, Prosecution, And Male Accountability (00:09:09)
7. Using Data For Advocacy And Funding (00:12:30)
8. Ground Truth From Gambia (00:16:06)
9. UN Launch And Open Access Plan (00:19:13)
10. Bridging UN Policy And Local Practice (00:22:09)
11. Three Legal Steps To Real Change (00:24:09)
12. Public‑Private Partnerships As Breakthrough (00:27:07)
13. From Report To Action (00:30:05)
14. Lessons From Partnership (00:33:04)
15. What’s Next And One Action To Take (00:35:22)
16. Report Launch, Success, And Closing (00:38:06)
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