Today's guest is Michael Lopp, better known as Rands, who is Senior Director of Engineering at Apple and writer of several popular books about engineering management, including "Managing Humans", which is a personal favorite of mine.

With Rands, we discuss his journey into writing and the impact it had on his personal and professional growth. We reflected on his leadership style and the complexities of modern engineering management.

01:07 Introduction

02:49 Rands first steps in writing

06:06 Sponsor

07:46 Does writing help in managing?

13:05 Michael and Rands

15:29 Managing humans and chaos

19:56 Mentoring fresh managers

21:31 Rands' managing style

28:27 Feedbacks

30:25 Changes in engineering management

33:43 AI: a future without layers

40:10 Testing a thesis

42:40 AI Interation = People Interation

45:07 What is not going to change

48:38 The 10%

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