Professor Ann Taves has spent her career studying religious experiences trying to understand what it means when someone says that they have spoken with God or they have seen an angel or had non-ordinary experiences. In this episode we talk about her work on visions and trances as well as her deep study on the similarities and differences between Mormonism, Alcoholics Anonymous and A Course In Miracles. We also look at Ann’s recent study into people in both America and India and how they view their own ‘non ordinary’ experiences. It is a fascinating look at one of the fundamental aspects of religious belief and how we can better understand it in the modern world.