Jack is joined by Kish from Lilywhite Lab to try and make sense of the trip to St James' Park.

We examine the reaction to the Newcastle game, trying to separate the emotional relief of the result from the rational assessment of the performance.

Discussion then turns to the confusing case of Xavi Simons. Is his continued omission a simple struggle to adjust to the Premier League, or a more worrying reflection of a clash with Thomas Frank’s style of play?

We also dive into the midfield engine room and ask if it is finally time for Archie Gray to permanently displace Rodrigo Bentancur.

Listener questions this week cover the Vicario Debate and whether it's time to upgrade or is the criticism overblown? And we find out who Kish would pick to replace Thomas Frank if the axe ultimately falls.

Theme is Ghost Cat by Gillen.

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