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The Atlantic’s Elizabeth Bruenig delves into the peculiarities of Elon Musk's life, particularly focusing on his numerous children and the implications of his pronatalist views. The discussion explores the contradictions between Musk's actions and traditional family values, as well as the broader societal implications of his beliefs. The conversation also touches on the intersection of religion and politics in contemporary America, particularly in light of the recent passing of Pope Francis.

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