On this episode, we are joined by American podcaster Dave Rubin from the Dave Rubin Report. He was recently in Australia as part of his international tour. Rubin boasts one of the most watched political talk shows online and is a leading voice in the conversation about free speech, Western values and the future of liberal democracy. He has been outspoken on Israel claiming that there is a collapse of moral clarity in the West and we also discussed the loss of his friend and colleague, Charlie Kirk, a defining figure in conservative politics whose assassination last month shocked the political world. We discuss Israel and the war of ideas being fought, not just in the Middle East but across the West.