Assistant Minister for Climate Change Josh Wilson is Australia's highest-ranking official at COP30, now underway in Belem, Brazil. He's spoken with SBS Portuguese in a wide-ranging interview about the balance between the urgency and the opportunity that climate action represents, Australia's fossil fuel exports and renewable energy ambitions, and how COP can achieve results without USA and China. The Assistant Minister has also talked about Australia's continuing bid to host COP31, the absence of Prime Minister Anthony Albanese at this climate summit, and his response to the Liberals party room discussions on net zero.