In this episode of Secure Line, Leah West and Stephanie Carvin break down the most consequential defence budget Canada has seen in generations—joined by special guest Philippe Lagassé, Chair in International Affairs at NPSIA and author of Debating Canadian Defence. With Jess Davis away this week, Leah and Stephanie dive into the headline-grabbing $81.8 billion defence package unveiled in Budget 2025: what it means, why it matters, and where the uncertainties lie. Phil helps unpack the sheer scale of the investment, the federal government’s unusual “money first, details later” strategy, and the emerging battle lines between political direction, military preference, and industrial ambition.

Together they explore the shifting terrain of defence procurement—from submarines to sovereign cloud—and the political risks of moving this much money, this fast, through a bureaucracy conditioned to avoid risk. They also tackle the deeper tension running beneath the budget: whether Canada continues to rely primarily on the United States or finally builds real sovereign capability. Smart, candid, and often pointed, this conversation offers essential context for anyone trying to understand the future of Canada’s defence posture and the political, bureaucratic, and strategic fights that will shape it.