To be ruled is to be spied upon and inspected, quantified, measured, and ranked, and then registered and regulated with all the inherent structural violence packed into those arrangements. To be free is to abolish all of it, to reject that system’s hold over our minds as well as to defeat its power in the world. What kind of society do we want to live in? What world will we build? Today we’re joined in conversation with Anita Say Chan, a feminist, decolonial scholar, and author of Predatory Data: Eugenics in Big Tech and our Fight for an Independent Future, as we think about techno-surveillance, algorithmic discrimination, the noisy echoes of the anti-immigration and eugenics movements of the 19th century all around us, as well as alternative data practices and projects developed by minorities actors in pursuit of justice.