Since the beginning of time, war has been used as a tool to resolve disagreements. While countless numbers of civilians die in war, the cost of war only gets more expensive each year. In this episode, we look at one of the only programs on the globe that brings together adversaries and allies to talk through ways to reduce the costs of war—in treasure and in lives--and maybe build toward positive peace. We sit down with Thom Geiser, an armed services advisor with the ICRC, and Paul Sotomayor, the deputy division chief of the U.S. Special Operations Command J7.

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