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In this solo episode, Marina explores what Linda Buzzell calls “level two ecotherapy” - a shift from using nature as a tool for human wellbeing to recognising our reciprocal relationship with the living world.
Moving from “me” to “we,” she reflects on how our practices, systems, and mindsets can evolve toward a more ethical, embodied, and relational way of belonging.
Key Ideas Explored
- The move from extraction to relationship — recognising nature as a living partner, not a service.
- From “me” to “we” — human development as a journey toward community and interconnection.
- The many meanings of ecotherapy and why values and worldview matter more than labels.
- The power of shared outdoor activity — fire, craft, and stillness as natural therapy.
- Reclaiming the roots of eco and therapy — caring for our shared home and one another.
- Nature-centric models that place humans within the circle of life, not above it.
- The need to move beyond individual healing to include the health of the Earth.
- Western culture’s mindset of extraction and the call for reciprocity and re-education.
- Bringing nature-based practice into health and education systems despite structural barriers.
- Seeing bullying and domination as symptoms of fear and disconnection from relationship.
- The importance of moral courage, ethical conduct, and grounded self-worth in our work.
- Community ecotherapy and deep ecology as ways to restore belonging and collective care.
Shownotes:
https://theoutdoorteacher.com/podcasts/episode-78-level-2-ecotherapy-from-me-to-we/
Music by Geoff Robb: www.geoffrobb.com
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