In this episode of the Commune Podcast, Jeff unpacks a recent panel he moderated at the Eudemonia Summit featuring Dr. Will Cole and Dr. Jessica Knurick — two smart, thoughtful voices who deeply disagree about the MAHA movement and the future of public health.

Jeff reflects on why nuanced conversations are so difficult in an online environment engineered for polarization, and why real understanding requires asking honest questions and making space for a respectful exchange. He explores the points of tension around chronic disease, regulatory capture, environmental health, and the political contradictions embedded in the current public health debate.

This episode also looks at the broader policy landscape — from SNAP reform to environmental regulation — and why meaningful progress demands both personal responsibility and systemic guardrails.

If you’ve felt overwhelmed by the noise in the public health world, this conversation offers a grounded, thoughtful, and surprisingly hopeful reframe.

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