In this episode, Gino Degregori interviews Jen Diffenderfer, a technologist and people leader, about the concept of kind leadership. They discuss the intersection of technology and people, the power of perception, and the importance of building diverse teams. Jen shares her experiences of overcoming adversity and the differences between government and commercial leadership styles. They also explore the future of leadership and the value of authenticity and transparency. The episode concludes with Jen's choice of having coffee with Amelia Earhart and her final thoughts on leadership as a practice.