Steve and Melissa are feeling festive—and reflective—in this holiday-themed episode. Donning their best Christmas outfits, they chat about the joys and stresses of the holiday season and how it mirrors the tough decisions we face in business and life.

The centerpiece of their conversation? Pivots.

They discuss legendary companies that made game-changing pivots (think Netflix, Instagram, and Starbucks) and break down how to recognize when it’s time for a shift in your own business or career. With practical strategies and A/B testing methods, they help you take the guesswork out of your next big decision.

Whether you’re thinking about a pivot, or just looking for holiday vibes and actionable insights, this episode will leave you with plenty to ponder (and test) before the year ends.