In this powerful and heartfelt conversation, Jennifer K. Hill sits down with transformational coach, author, and thought leader Josselyne Herman-Saccio — a former pop star who once topped the charts, (even over the likes of Whitney Houston!) and has spent decades helping people live from vision rather than reaction.

Together they explore what it means to be “unmessablewith,” how to break free from emotional triggers, and how three seconds of courage can completely transform your relationships — and your life.

Episode Highlights

00:30 – Jennifer introduces Josselyne Herman-Saccio, her longtime coach and friend, and shares how they first met.

01:45 – Josselyne explains what being unmessablewith really means — not toughness, but deep connection to vision.

03:30 – The difference between vision and goals: one is contextual, the other measurable.

05:30 – How to shift from reaction to creation using simple physical “hacks” that reset your brain.

07:30 – Jennifer shares her own “cheat sheet” for returning to presence when triggered.

08:30 – The gazelle metaphor: why humans hold onto stress long after danger has passed.

09:30 – How language perpetuates pain — and how shifting your context can end burnout.

10:30 – The power of context: how the same event can look like love or annoyance depending on your lens.

12:15 – The unforgettable Father-in-Law Story: how three seconds of courage transformed years of resentment into connection and love.

18:30 – “There are no toxic people, only toxic stories.”

21:15 – Why no situation is truly hopeless — language and context can always open the door to peace.

22:15 – Josselyne’s free gift: the Instant Reset cheat sheet to move from reaction to creation.

23:15 – Jennifer’s closing reflection: May this be your three seconds of courage.

This episode is a masterclass in emotional freedom and conscious living. Through humor, honesty, and vulnerability, Josselyne shows that transformation doesn’t require years of effort — sometimes, it just takes three seconds of courage to shift the entire trajectory of a relationship, a career, or a life.

Resources Mentioned

Free Gift – “Instant Reset” Cheat Sheet: https://theunmessablewithgift.com

Josselyne’s Podcast: Beyond Unmessablewith — available wherever you get your podcasts

Connect with Josselyne Herman-Saccio

Website: https://josselynehermansaccio.com

Instagram: https://instagram.com/josselynehermansaccio

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/josselynehermansaccio

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Jennifer K. Hill is an Evolutionary Leader, entrepreneur, author, speaker, podcaster and TV host. She has hosted popular shows with Dr. Deepak Chopra, Bruce Lipton, and many other leaders from around the world on her Regarding Consciousness and Superconnections podcasts.

After exiting her first company in 2018, she co-founded a new company in the technology space, OptiMatch (om.app) that utilizes their proprietary algorithm and built in AI to align and enhance trust in business relationships. She is also the Chief Connections Officer with the EPIC FIT Network. When she is not hosting, speaking or building companies she loves to give back and has built two schools in 3rd world countries.

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