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This episode I talk to Hugo and Nebula award-winning author Charlie Jane Anders! In this chat, we discuss her work, including how she gets inside her characters' heads, challenging the traditional ideas of protagonist and antagonist, and writing your way through personal challenges. We discuss examples from her work including All the Birds in the Sky, City in the Middle of the Night, as well as her latest book, Lessons in Magic and Disaster.
Chapters:
- 00:00 - Intro
- 04:30 - Leading the Reader into the Darkness
- 10:52 - Character Perspectives
- 14:40 - Protagonists and Antagonists and Neither
- 16:49 - Points of View and Structure
- 26:11 - Young Adult Perspectives
- 32:52 - Defamiliarization in Science Fiction
- 41:11 - Finding the Perspective
- 46:04 - Writing Through Personal Challenge
- 51:53 - Outro
Charlie Jane's Information:
Charlie Jane Anders is the author of Lessons in Magic and Disaster, coming August 2025 from Tor Books. Her other novels include All the Birds in the Sky, The City in the Middle of the Night and the young-adult Unstoppable trilogy. She's also the author of the short story collection Even Greater Mistakes, and Never Say You Can't Survive, a book about how to use creative writing to get through hard times.
She's won the Hugo, Nebula, Sturgeon, Lambda Literary, Crawford and Locus Awards. She co-created Escapade, a transgender superhero, for Marvel Comics and wrote her into the long-running New Mutants comic. And she's currently the science fiction and fantasy book reviewer for the Washington Post. With Annalee Newitz, she co-hosts the podcast Our Opinions Are Correct.
Charlie Jane's Books Mentioned:
- All the Birds in the Sky
- City in the Middle of the Night
- Victories Greater than Death (first in the Unstoppable Trilogy)
- Never Say You Can't Survive
- Even Greater Mistakes
- Lessons in Magic and Disaster
Charlie Jane Anders Photo credit: Sarah Deragon/Portraits to the People
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