HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons hosts the most downloaded sports podcast of all time, with a rotating crew of celebrities, athletes, and media staples, as well as mainstays like Cousin Sal, Joe House, and a slew of other friends and family members who always happen to be suspiciously available.
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n the debut episode of Trying Not To Die, Navy SEAL and discipline king Jocko Willink drops in for a wildly unpredictable conversation about Jiu jitsu, drone warfare, modern masculinity, and his deep love for Black Sabbath.
We talk about why war is now content creation, what it takes to stay calm in chaos, and how Jocko got completely starstruck meeting Tony Iommi.
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