We finally tempted Matt Boon to 'rant cast', and it didn't disappoint.

Matt's been shaping how Australian IT leaders think for decades. He's the person the industry turns to when it needs perspective.

Together with Jono and Naran, the conversation hits the uncomfortable stuff: the tech layoffs dressed up as "AI efficiency," AWS's 30,000 cuts, and why announcing record profits straight after firing people is a leadership fail. They dig into cloud overspend, digital transformation fatigue, and the reality that most "modernisation programs" never actually end.

Matt throws out ROI in favour of ROV — Return on Value. Jono questions why boards never carry the cost of technical debt, and Naran presses on what real accountability should look like.

It's direct, a bit uncomfortable, and exactly the kind of conversation our sector needs more of.

Show Notes

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